355. 32 litres of milk
Photo by: Nabin Karmacharya
Posted Date: 28th April 2009
Description:
This pictures shows the local women carrying the 32 litres of chauri milk to the Cheese Factory at Cherdung, Jiri at the height of 2633 m. Each day these local people travel 2 hours to supply the milk to the factory. The everyday combat with narrow and uphill way at such height and carrying such heavy things for the survival is really inspiring.
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Thank Mabi ji, for all your good effort to make discussion here in LIN more fruitful. I’ve checked this Nabin’s picture which you have photoshoped for better composition. Keep commentating.
the lady is not “walking out” of the picture any more. She is “walking in” now in less than a minuate –
reduced the dead space at the back – the active space is left as such.
the Rukhko thuto is still acting as a distractor though.
did the trick with just cropping-
http://picasaweb.google.com/mabi.singh/UntitledAlbum06#5330907036939506386
I wished I could just upload the picture.
Rule of thirds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thirds
Dear Mabi, I agree ultimate is to bring out ‘wow’ and to express oneself. I mean to say that rules like ‘rule of third’, and such are not ultimate. For me composition is not only what you see in the picture, the physical aspects but something beyond that, what you feel, and to composite that feeling also. But again there are many school of thoughts, this is what I think.
“Your eyes don’t see what your brain does not know.”..you said it all. You rightly said we must strive to improve and discussions surely helps. When someone asked legendary French Photographer Marc Riboud about his best shot he answered ‘I hope to take it tomorrow’. Well, he also said it all.
http://digital-photography-school.com, Great site for any one interested in photography and thanks for all the tips of photography.
Tip on shooting a moving subject:
http://digital-photography-school.com/create-active-space-in-your-photography
Lucida
Be it photography. painting or poetry – the ultimate is the composition. The aim is bring out – “wow” with maximum effectiveness.
Shutterbug
I know you are a good photographer with essential knowledge to bring out goodness,effectiveness in a photograph. and art of composition. I saw few of your photographs and it took me no time to determine your level.
I do see oppurtunity to learn more from and Lucida.
Regarding Nabin’s photograph
I would like to categorize Nabin’s photograph as A SNAP shot in a hurry”. As
you know, one does not get all the ideal situation/condition to take a good photograph. But there are tool and techniques available to make it look better- like post production. A good photographer would bring excitement out of nothing – like you have done in so many of your photographs. -thats quality and talent.
I again will say, when you want to capture a momment that usually does not get repeated – its OK to take “not so well”composed photographs. Usually “snap in hurry” are blurry, not well centered and lots of distractors. and these need post production.
Also, using a camera as a tool, Nabin may not have the sofisticated tools as you do. (I have seen your collection of cameras). To have one good shot, he should have used multiple clicks – (and that too depends upon the tool he has- my point and shoot is so primitive it takes eight seconds to record and recycle.)
If you are interested have a look at this.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=112707&id=540246345&saved
I took those with a simple point and shoot Fujifilm camera with no manipulation afterwards.
Nabin,
keep taking photographs and reading about photograpy – its just not point and shoot. I have come to realize its takes effort to bring out effect in a photographic composition like in poetry and painting. Take the comments positively like that of Shutterbug, who has excellent understanding of art of photography. Your eyes dont see what your brain does not know. Go for the basics and learn from the classics.
Lets keep discussing (so that I can improve to take a perfect shot (if there is any).
Dear Lucida
Thanks for your more input regarding ‘Picture Compostion’ here in LIN. Keep commenting. Your comments are always informative.
Dear Mabi,
Good question, ‘Is it practical or ideal to apply this method ‘rule of thirds’ in all sort of situational photography?’
And yes thank you for this ‘Hollywood assignment’ to take photos of Lindsay Loha without missing any characters of a photograph that I have shared in my previous comment. By the way, please don’t shoot me if I fail to do so hai.. 🙂 just kidding.
Back to main agenda:
I guess you must be a hobbyist photographer otherwise you won’t be saying ‘rule of thirds’ is only ideal for studio photography, where photographer have ultimate control over picture composition and light. You are definitely misjudging this very powerful method of composing picture.
Photojournalists often use this method to compose their news pictures. You can see them almost every day in newspaper, magazines, internet or you name it. This method can be applied anytime in any situational or instant photography. And what you must have to achieve this goal is some EXPERIENCE and a clear INTENT like I stressed in my earlier comment to Nabin. You have to be QUICK like a photojournalists or paparazzi.
Human brain is clever enough to pre plan any composition of picture having all the characters of a photograph. Here let me sound no stubborn saying so, I also agree analysis after the picture was taken is easy and no photographer ever keep all the rules and methods at hands while clicking pictures, but familiarity with ‘rule of thirds’ and many others make it easy to reproduce much interesting picture much instinctively.
Let me share you some examples I’ve clicked in the streets of Berlin and it might help you to believe that ‘rule of thirds’ is possible not just in studio.
Check the link http://shutterbug4eu.wordpress.com
Unfortunately, these pictures are not of Lindsay Loha 😉
Regarding your idea of post production, I think a well planned and well balanced photo composition is the best way to transport a strong message to the viewers and to avoid hours in front of a computer screen for post-production. Don’t forget a good photograph is born in the mind, by intellectual work which includes a sound knowledge about photography. Composition is a mater of practicing – the earlier the basics are taught, the better.
Well, Composition in the field of Photography is one of the most debated topics, I guess. I also learned the same and also worked as a Instructor and told the same. What Shutterbug saying here is right because one need to know the rules first to get good pictures. I always asked the same questions to my teachers and also been asked many times by others about the same.
But, Techniques, equipments, rules ..blah blah These things always haunted me and still keeps haunting. In my opinion you can break the rules but should know them before you dare to break. If you want to learn driving you first need to know your bike and road rules. It is till you learn driving, but it is personal choice to do stunt with your bike later. Then comes the breaking of rules.You may also break your bones or come up with new skills.
More a person explores with Camera and learns aesthetics aspects, more one can express and accomplish the desired effect. Composition is part of the language in Photography not the ultimate “rules” as such.
My personal take is if you keep following the rules for the rest of the life than you end up being a “Cameraman”. If you try to take the pictures according to what you want to express and explore new vision than you become a real “Photographer”.
For Example there is a basic ‘rule’ that says pictures should be ‘sharp’, well composed and well exposed. But here is one example which shows the Photographers personal skill and way of expression which crosses all boundaries. ( http://www.agencevu.com/photographers/photographer.php?id=1 )
But again it is my personal view, no offense to anyone.
Dear Nabin,
I will be happy if these learning I have about photography aid you to learn photography with more confidence. But don’t expect me to be always Mr. Right. Just try those ideas and you will have your learning. Like Michael Freeman said, “Sometime what gives ‘composition’ a bad name is the suggestion that there are rules.”
And not to underestimate what determines your picture composition is the purpose (3 questions which I’ve mentioned above), your INTENT. Generally every photographer has this purpose to please as many viewers as possible, or to be different and unique. Well INTENT doesn’t even have to be that specific; it may be an unspoken individual preference. Nevertheless, awareness of what you want should generally come before you make compositional decisions.
What is rule of third?
The frame is divided into horizontal and vertical thirds, the intersections are preferable positions for objects to emphasize. Of course it is very important to observer directions of move, of looking etc.
If you have time surf these links:
http://photoinf.com/Golden_Mean/Michael_Fodor/Photo_School_-_Rule_of_Thirds.htm
http://www.charlestonimage.com/articles/2008/09/rule-of-thirds.html
http://photography-tips.co.uk/tutorials/rule-of-thirds.html
And if you want some post production like Mabi said.Here one interesting link:
http://www.photoanswers.co.uk/Video-Tutorials/Search-Results/Imaging-Techniques/Video-Tutorial–Rule-of-Thirds/?&R=EPI-1745
But Nabin could have used some post production simple tool like “crop” to make the lady look like walking-in, delete distractors on the left hand side and brighten the picture.
Mabi
Shutterbug
I admire your interest and knowledge in photography.
I am aware of the “rule of thirds” but in above photograph taken by Nabin, it will be hard to apply.
Why?
1. The subject is not a model in a studio.
2. She is not a stationary subject.
3. The shot was not pre-planned. Nabin wanted to capture the momment as soon as he saw the lady. He might not have enough time to get the camera ready, frame and shoot the text book like photograph, when Nabin spotted the lady who was above him. Therefore, Not all the situation warrent horizontal shots.
4. “Rule of thirds” is good on idol, preplanned, modelled kind of situation but not ideal for all kind of situation.
(specially when there is a need of instant shot)
Here is a situation:
Shutterbug is with a camera in Hollywood and spots Lindsay Lohan coming out of a bar. Will he simply shoot or consider all the characters of a photograph should have? Will he frame Ms Lohan (who might have been drunk) and capture the momment that we ideally want to see ?
Shutterbug,
Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate how you analyzed this picture. ya you are right I completely missed the rule of third.
May be that person is moving faster than my clicking the pic. just kidding.
your comment is valuable. Next time I will surely follow your idea before taking any picture.
Thanks.
Sangarsha,
Thanks for the comment. But actually if you think life inside Ktm is more difficult. All this unexpected bandh, zam, no water, no light, people you deal everyday we have both physical as well as mental pressure. At least these people have less mental torture than us. Just a small view.
This is nice to see pictures from new contributors being featured here in LIN, making this allegation untrue that LIN only features photos by Shutterbug, Digital Monk, Sangesh..
Welcome Nabin Karmacharya, to LIN platform. The story behind ’32 liters of milk’ is good and let me make some suggestion to make ’32 liters of milk’ picture also good.
Horizontal composition is right choice for this picture because it is normal perception of human eye and have this feeling of familiarity but how you placed the ‘subject’ (local women carrying milk jar) is not well balanced as she is moving out of the frame. It would have been better if she is moving in. Hope you have this idea of composition “rule of thirds”.
The “rule of thirds” is of great practical importance – humans and moving object appear much more harmonic if there is some space in their direction of looking or moving. The room behind is dead and static; the room in front is much more interesting.
And here some more ideas before you click any photo
Ask yourself these questions:
Why do I take this photo?
– It could be to document, recollection, atmosphere, special situation, or just a snapshot. It is important to have specific answers before you shoot because these purposes will decide how you should compose your picture.
What will be my message?
– Which objects should the picture include; what should the emphasis laid on, what is most important for my message? Composition must follow these considerations/decisions.
Whom is the photo for?
– To contribute here in LIN or for your private purposes, or just for memory, or for your professional assignments. Having a clear intention can helps you how you must compose your picture.
You may feel tedious in putting this effort of asking few questions but I assure you that it is worth effort to make a good picture in the long run. So try this next time you click picture.
Nabin,
Thanks for sharing the picture of rural life.
Life outside of this Ktm-Cocoon is really difficult.